The cub: 3 facts about the gender issues

The cub: 3 facts about the gender issues


Digging into the book universe!


"The cub at the end was/is a male/Kopa because the official books say so!!!"
NOT.

1. Most of the official books from 1994 state it's a boy, but it matters not because this book is equally official and states it's a girl!

2. The official book "A Tale of Two Brothers" wherein Kopa first appears, tells a story of Rafiki arriving to Pridelands for the first time when Mufasa is already a teenager. But this book is equally official and states that Rafiki had met Mufasa when Mufasa was a cub. As the last mentioned is equeally possible truth and contradicts Kopa's family history, the cub in the film is not Kopa.

3. The official book "A Tale of Two Brothers" wherein Kopa first appears, states that Mufasa's father named Zazu's mother and every future generation of her family as the stewarts to the kings of Pridelands. But the equally official book "Friends In Need" states that Mufasa personally named Zazu as his stewart after he personally remarked the bird's usefulness. As the last mentioned is equally possible truth and contradicts Kopa's family history the cub could as well be a girl in its story - the cub in the film is not Kopa.

RESULTS IN: The book universe supports the film's creators' genderless-Fluffy vision. (In the 1993 movie script it was refered to as just "THE CUB" with no gender reference, and still in 1995 and 2003 the film's creators called the cub a unisex nickname "Fluffy" and made no gender reference.) Also the sequel's creators have confirmed that in their story the cub is Kiara. In this official interview they say "It starts off where the first film left us with a twist - you think it's a king but it's a queen!" And remark also that he says that we THINK it's a boy, not that it actually was in the film itself.

SO, the cub is in fact:

- A BOY AND A GIRL in the book universe.
As in the books and the movie(s) are seperate entities because one character can't have two genders in one entity.

- A GIRL in the entire movie universe storyline which includes The Lion King and The Lion King 2: Simba's Pride.
As in Kiara because TLK2:SP's official trailer blends the cub from the end to Kiara, and because the film's animator said it's a queen, and again one character can't have two genders/identities in one story.

- GENDERLESS in the purest canon (the first film) because its creators refered to it in utterly unisex way in everything; the script, the movie, the commnentary track.
As in it is whichever gender a fan prefers, becoming your original character and not a canon gender.

You're entitled to have, state and keep your opinion that the cub was/is a boy in the film too - but PLEASE stop claiming that your opinion is also an official fact. Because it's not. And in the end whether you think it's possible or not for it to be a girl, it is anyway, as some official facts have turned it into a girl.

In fact, it's a girl more officially than a boy because it's been stated a boy only in the book universe and never in the movie universe, whereas it's been stated a girl in both, the movie universe and the book universe.

Thus, Kiara did not replace Kopa, Kiara did not replce a boy, the gender was not changed; because in the movie universe the gender simply did not officially exist until Kiara was created.






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July 28, 2020
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@KOPAFOREVER, there was absolutely nothing disrespectful in the article. Also Kopa isn't canon at all.

February 21, 2013
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@ KOPAFOREVER:

First of all, the books were not made by Disney.

Second of all, Disney has confirmed that the cub at the end of the first film is a female; one of the animators of the sequel film did so.

Third of all, there is nothing not-nice or disrespectful in this article.

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February 02, 2013
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ok first off the books with Kopa were made first and second if that is Kiara then hmm why doesn't it look like her it looks like Kopa. Kieran Kopa is most likely real and Disney never actually stated that the cub at the end of the first tlk was a female so it could be Kopa or it could be another cub

and also be a little more nice and respectful next time

September 28, 2012
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@ Dotti2020:

Try libraries. :)

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September 09, 2012
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why this does make sense were can i read six new adventures though/

January 31, 2012
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@ Brown Wolf:

Are you really that desperate that you need to deny the entire existance of facts? Is it the end of the world to open your eyes and realize that Disney has not made the TLK universe as whole and perfectly mixable as you'd like it to be?

I'm not narrow - I'm simply accepting Disney's official vision and way of building the franchise, WHILE I'm ALSO enjoying some of the alternate stuff there is to play with. You on the otehr hand are so all over the place that you fail to see that Disney has actually drawn borders in between sections of the TLK universe. Borders that may and can be erased in fanfiction but some borders erased result in nothing but nonsense. Because. There Are. Facts.

January 30, 2012
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Ha! There are no facts. Simba's Pride has too many plot holes. Simple as that. People wanna fill in those plot holes, let them. No one is right and no one is wrong. What part of that seems to be missing your eye sight? Are you really so narrow?

January 30, 2012
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----"Let people believe as they want."---

The facts are not brought up to force people to change their personal belief. The facts are being promoted to inform those who are confused and wish to figure out the truth.

January 28, 2012
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Lioness -- Pretty much, and frankly, it's rather tiresome. Let people believe as they want.

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January 28, 2012
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So everyone who belives Kopa doesn't exist beacause he is in the books, are also saying that Ahadi,Zuzu,Kula,Chumvi and Ni don't exist beacause they are from the same books as kopa, also that the way Taka is scared and becomes Scar isn't right because it's in the "book universe."
- just saying :o

September 19, 2011
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@ Howlra:

What? At least in this fandom, the books were not written by the film makers. They have not written any book whatsoever. They only made the film and its commentary track. (As far as my research has shown anyway.) And how could an entire character be an accident?! :D Especially when the publishing goes through a validation process! :D And anyway, there can be no accidents in a book that is its authors original story just inspired by a movie and written with no links between him and the movie's makers visions. Hence, if Disney had wanted something specific to be or not to be in a story they would've told the author what to create and not to create. Kopa was not an accident. He's just an original character by a fan/outsider that Disney approved for a book series and nothing more.

September 17, 2011
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you know some books are written by filmmakers and sometimes not. maybe the tale of two brothers book is not written by filmmakers. the writer could get confused with charters and accidentally put kopa in there

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September 14, 2011
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Oh dear, a theory of arguments and friend splits I was just informed of came to pass I see....:(
Well that's it.
Anyway, this article sounds good and clear to me Elchivato:cool:
But I do see how this happens.
Nothing like some burst bubbles I guess......

September 02, 2011
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No thanks^^ i think that because 'Fluffy' looks exactly like newborn Simba.Exactly.It would be almost a copy.So i prefer a girl,so Kiara,that makes sense to me.

September 02, 2011
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@VitaniLover: The character's weren't stolen, and I feel no sympathy towards Gamba being stolen after this.
@ElChivato: I will leave the conversation.

September 02, 2011
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PEOPLE, PLEASE take your fight to private messages! Your issues in question are in no way related to this article or even its topic anymore! Thank you.

And thank you, VitaniLover. :)

September 02, 2011
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Eh,guys,can't you argue further in pms? Geesh..

@Kopa:I told you i'm not choosing a side,i'm just saying the truth.

@Typo:I agree with you. Like,Claire is here a long time,i believe she first just give warnings,but it just doesn't stop.Of course that's annoying! Just follow the rules. I can't take stolen characters or uncredited anymore,after somebody stole Gamba.

September 02, 2011
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Oh, so I'm the bully? Do I take it back? No. Have I ever done that anywhere else ever? No. Also, she threatened to report me for no reason.

September 02, 2011
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AppleDash>You
ACTUALLY, I made the sam mistake too, thinking that she reported people's characters for no reason. But I was WRONG. She was RIGHT. She has a purpose for reporting people. Sure, she could give them a warning to please credit first, but sometimes people really DO not credit the lineart on purpose. It's just her personality, okay? It's what happens in life sometimes, okay?

September 02, 2011
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AppleDash>You
You said

"THIS USELESS BLOB YOU CALL AN ARTICLE IS FULL OF NOTHING BUT LIES!:mad: "

So... you are calling poor Claire the bully here?

September 02, 2011
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She threatens to report people for no reason.

September 02, 2011
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AppleDash>You
Claire's. Not. A. Bully.

September 02, 2011
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I'm not talking about me, I'm talking about all those people who made characters who got reported. Brown isn't a bully, but Claire is! I can't believe your siding with her!

September 02, 2011
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Hey,hey,Typ is not doing anything wrong.Let's keep it friendly,ok? She isn't a bad guy...eh,girl. Why would she? Telling her own theory about this useless discussion and about your story makes her bad? Sure,why don't we put her in jail.
*rolled eyes*
I don't think so. Neither Claire or Brown are bullies. Of all the reason Kopa gave...i think these are mature things.Just follow the rules.Claire is nice.So let's drop it.

Sorry ElChivato.Good article by the way.I also think it is Kiara.^^

September 02, 2011
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AppleDash>You
No, it's NOT okay to bully people. And no one's "punishing" you.

September 02, 2011
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So you agree with people being punished for doing nothing wrong? You agree that it's ok to bully people? Fine, I don't wanna be friends with you anyway.

September 02, 2011
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AppleDash>You
I'm one of Claire's friends. Sorry, but, bye.

September 02, 2011
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@Typo: Your not my friend anymore. You say Claire Cooper you agree with 100% but that means you wish I would grow up.

September 02, 2011
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AppleDash>You
°x° That's not really acting your age, either. Listen, Kop, my goal isn't to get you to act your age. You really don't need to get like that now, do you?

September 02, 2011
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@Typo: *even more stiflly* I thought you were my third or second or whatever best friend but you think I should act my age, so I will. Non-third or second or whatever best friend.

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