Scar/ Taka is Kovu's Father

Scar/ Taka is Kovu's Father


There is proof that kovu's father was originally Scar



Now this is for people who felt that maybe Kovu's father wasn't Scar even though there is proof that scar's was the father but because of Kovu being mates with Kiara it would be accounted as incest there for they changed it to kovu being his step son. Now i found this on an official site and decided to show you some real proof.



Disney's first thought was to make Kovu, Scar's actual son but that brought on many complications with the fact that not only would Kiara and Kovu become cousins they would not be able to come up with a proper ending the ending would be wasted. That is also why Kopa was never accepted by Disney, Because knowing them they probably would have set him up with Vitani but Vitani being Scar's actual daughter would have led it to Incest once again.



So they came up with a solution what if Kovu had been adopted therefor elimnating all fact that Kovu was Scar's son and just a step son. This way Kiara and Kovu could fall in love and be together without it looking bad at all. Heres a family tree to prove some of my points.



First Generation



Mohatu
- Great-great-grandfather of Kiara. It was told to Simba by Mufasa that when the great king Mohatu died that he became the brightest star in the sky.



Second Generation

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Ahadi - Father of Taka (later known as Scar) and Mufasa, and great-grandfather of Kiara.


Uru - Mother of Taka and Mufasa, and great-grandmother of Kiara. No picture currently available.



Third Generation



Sarafina - The mother of Nala, friend of Sarabi, and maternal grandmother of Kiara.


Sarabi - The venerable wife of Mufasa, queen of the Pride Lands, mother of Simba, and paternal grandmother of Kiara.


Mufasa - Husband of Sarabi, father of Simba, and paternal grandfather of Kiara. Became victim of fratricide and regicide when his jealous brother Scar threw him off a cliff into Antelope Gorge. Beloved by all his subjects at Pride Rock he was one of its most regal and respected monarchs.


Scar (Taka) - Brother of Mufasa, uncle of Simba, and paternal great uncle of Kiara. Scar was consumed by his jealousy until it led him to kill his brother and attempt to kill his nephew. He then fraudulently claimed rule over Pride Rock, allowed the hyenas out of the elephant graveyard and into the pridelands, and ruled so ineffectively that the pridelands were overwhelmed by drought conditions. Shortly before Simba returned to Pride Rock and reclaimed legitimate rule, Scar chose Kovu to be his successor. Who was originally ment to be his son but it changed later on through out the creation of the second movie.


Zira - Mate of Scar, mother of Nuka, Vitani, and Kovu, and deceased mother-in-law of Kiara. After being banished from the pridelands by Simba for her loyalty to Scar, Zira continues to carry the torch of Scar. She wants nothing more than to see her son Kovu ruling Pride Rock, even if it means killing Simba and his chosen successor, Kiara.





FiF Fourth Generation


Nala - Daughter of Sarafina, loyal mate of Simba, and loving mother of Kiara. Nala is a nearly flawless character. She is nurturing of Kiara and at the same time allows Kiara the correct amount of personal freedom. Nala has a quiet and unassuming beauty, elegance and wisdom that remains unsurpassed in the kingdom. Her physical prowess increased steadily over the years until she became a fine hunter and fighter. Was personally acquainted with Zira and Vitani before they were banished from the pridelands.

Simba - Mate of Nala, son of Mufasa and Sarabi, and father of Kiara. Simba began learning the responsibilities of being a king from his father Mufasa. His training, however, was cut short when Mufasa was assassinated by Scar. Simba was tricked into exile by Scar and later befriended by the happy-go-lucky meerkat Timon and the warthog Pumbaa. Simba later reclaimed the throne but his lack of proper training in royal ways became evident when he became over-protective of his daughter Kiara and distrustful of Kovu.


Nuka - Oldest son of Scar and Zira. Older brother to Vitani. Nuka is jealous that Scar has counted him unworthy as successor to the throne. Zira also has the same disregard for him and never shows any attention to him until he breathes his dying breath after he made a risky attempt to kill Simba.


Vitani - Daughter of Zira and Scar. Younger sister of Nuka. Vitani sided with her mother Zira in her plan to overthrow Simba until eventually becoming part of the pridelands again.


Kovu - Son of Zira and said to have been taken in by Scar. Younger brother of Nuka and Vitani. Kovu has a very similar appearance to Scar and many believe him to be Scar's actual bona fide offspring. It could be that the truth that Scar is Kovu's father was shrouded in mystery until it was lost, or it could be that Scar was flattered by an unrelated young lion cub who looked so much like him. Kovu was chosen by Scar to be the successor to the fraudulently claimed throne at Pride Rock. After Simba returned to the pridelands and banished those loyal to Scar, Zira continued to train Kovu to be future king of Pride Rock. Kovu went along with the plan at first but then began to fall in love with Kiara and and decided he wanted nothing to do with his mother's evil plot. After finally gaining Simba's trust, Kovu and Kiara were formally joined to each other as lifetime mates by Rafiki.



Fifth Generation


Kiara - Daughter of Simba and Nala. Shortly after her birth Kiara was presented in a magnificent and joyous ceremony to the animals gathered at Pride Rock as their future queen and ruler. Kiara is a perfect blend of her parents, Simba and Nala, in both physical appearance and personality attributes. Kiara inherited their curiosity and ran with it, quite literally, by running away from Pride Rock numerous times. On one such occasion she met the Outlander cub Kovu and befriended him but they were soon torn apart by their grudge-holding parents. Raised apart, they were later reunited, fell in love, and subsequently helped to reunite the divided prides.





For people who don't like this topic or artical you don't have to comment on it. I Won't have whiney people on here acting like they know everything.

 

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Sarafina - The mother of Nala, friend of Sarabi, and maternal grandmother of Kiara.


Sarabi - The venerable wife of Mufasa, queen of the Pride Lands, mother of Simba, and paternal grandmother of Kiara.


Mufasa - Husband of Sarabi, father of Simba, and paternal grandfather of Kiara. Became victim of fratricide and regicide when his jealous brother Scar threw him off a cliff into Antelope Gorge. Beloved by all his subjects at Pride Rock he was one of its most regal and respected monarchs.


Scar (Taka) - Brother of Mufasa, uncle of Simba, and paternal great uncle of Kiara. Scar was consumed by his jealousy until it led him to kill his brother and attempt to kill his nephew. He then fraudulently claimed rule over Pride Rock, allowed the hyenas out of the elephant graveyard and into the pridelands, and ruled so ineffectively that the pridelands were overwhelmed by drought conditions. Shortly before Simba returned to Pride Rock and reclaimed legitimate rule, Scar chose Kovu to be his successor.


Zira - Mate of Scar, mother of Nuka, Vitani, and Kovu, and deceased mother-in-law of Kiara. After being banished from the pridelands by Simba for her loyalty to Scar, Zira continues to carry the torch of Scar. She wants nothing more than to see her son Kovu ruling Pride Rock, even if it means killing Simba and his chosen successor, Kiara. 

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February 19, 2014
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http://werebereus.deviantart.c [...] Darell-Rooney-Speaks-287763490 good proof - he WAS originally Zira's mate, but like you said, not anymore.

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Right before Zira brings Kovu back from meeting Kiara Nuka and Vitanni are talking and Nuka says "kovu kovu kovu, Scar wasn't even his father." I mean isn't that proof enough? Other than the mane he doesn't even resemble Scar at all.

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May 31, 2012
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So Zira and Scar had Nuka and Vitani. Kovu was just Zira's son and not part of Scar at all. Kovu couldn't take over the throne because he is not royalty unless he marries Nala which he does. What I wonder if Zira and scar had 2 kids together and Kovu is not scars that means Zira cheated cause she got pregnant with Kovu.

February 17, 2012
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Ofcorse everyone has their own opinon. Everyone is alowd to comment. Everyone can belive what they want to belive in. Like me i belive that Kula is his mother and that Chumvi is his farther. You can belive in enything you wish.Know one is right know one is wrong. Everyone says that they know the proof but really they do not. So really know one know's! :p

February 15, 2012
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Okay Scar is not his father, Zira is his mother. That's what the movie says. Chumvi is unlikely to be his father and Kula is definately not his mother. Yes, Scar was originally his father, but in the movie it says he is not, and that would also make him and Kiara cousins, which is why he isn't. You can believe or follow what you want, everyone has a right to an opinion, but this is the official proof.

So Zira is his mother, father is unknown, but not Scar. But that is what fanfiction is for, filling in those missing spots :)

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February 15, 2012
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people say that Scar is Kovu's real farther and Zira is Kovu's real mother well hear is the trooth if you wanna know Chumvi is his real farther and kula is his real mother. Ofcorse in the lion king 2 it did not make sence when Kovu got exiled because Simba was Chumvi's friend. Always remember Chumviis Kovu's farther Kula is Kovu's mother. I am not trying do disagree with you but i know the trooth. Check on you tube on lion king famliy tree. But if it's not there check on google Imigas and type in Chumvi and Kula. See it is not a fake it's true i've been cheking for months. I am not disagreeing with you but i just know the truth.

December 27, 2011
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Dexanna -- Some agree with that, some don't. There are too many... variables. No one is right and no one is wrong.

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December 27, 2011
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Kovo Is Scars Step Son Agreed

December 27, 2011
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Dexanna -- Let's just say that with Simba's Pride, there's A Lot to complain about.

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December 27, 2011
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So What Guys, Why Can't People Enjoy The Movie Without All This Complaining

December 09, 2011
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Rinja> Isn't so? There is nothing NOWHERE that disproves them not being mates. Rooney even admits they'd been longtime mates during production, but that would HAVE to make Kovu their son so this was obscured. They DO still have a relationship, we just dont know what it is.

In the updated message, Darell Rooney clarifies Zira's relation to Scar was not changed, but KOVU's biological relation to anyone was gone.

November 04, 2011
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i like your article

September 17, 2011
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The contact details are at the bottom. Check them out.

September 16, 2011
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Hybrid > yes if you look through the deleted scenes you'll see that Kovu is still a cub during Kiara's presentation when Nuka and Vitani arrive telling there mother what they had saw.

Also off topic question but is this even my topic anymore XD

September 16, 2011
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@HybridMu:

Realistically speaking Kovu HAS to be at least 3-4 months older than Kiara because Kovu was born during Scar's reign (= fact from the film) and lionesses carry their unborn child for a little over 3 months. But this age difference would keep Kovu and Kiara in the same generation with each other.

@Scar Dragon:

The look-alike point you made is the weakest. Looks can come from anywhere in the family tree. And they really don't look that much alike anyway. There's an article here pointing that out with pictures and very detailed remarks. And the rest of the points you made...You have completely missed the METAPHORICAL meaning of those moments and events. Kovu's lines "He was not my father but he's still a part of me" and wondering if he has the same kind of blackness inside him as Scar did should say it all. They're related in spiritual level through Simba and Kovu's fears and doubts, NOT biologically.

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September 16, 2011
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you mean kovu is older than kiara? lol im just curious here because Kovu is listed in the fourth generation when he was shown clearly the same age as Kiara O_O is he older? XD that would be so cool if was older

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September 16, 2011
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@BrownWolf -- i completely and utterly agree. i love fanfiction.

September 16, 2011
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Rinjapine -- And reasons like this are why I love fandom, and being a fanfiction writer.

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September 16, 2011
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and one other thing -- did you actually READ all of that website's synopsis? or just grab onto the fact it said 'mate' and 'widow'? cuz it also says Mufasa's spirit appears to kiara and convinces her to go back with kovu. where exactly did that ever happen? except in the first TLK? and if they cant get the two movies straight, why should anyone listen to anything they tell you? Not to mention this was written for watchers in INDIA, so there may be (and probably ARE) translation errors. [go look -- it's an article from MUMBAI and all the contact people listed have Indian names].

i get that you like Zira as Scar's mate/queen, and it does make more sense than what we ended up with, but it just isnt so unfortunately.

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September 16, 2011
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Werebs -- it does not matter if the CEO got fired. At the time he WAS CEO, so what he wanted got done. Where he's at today is irrelevant. As for your site, how is that any different from the other one that says Zira was Scar's SISTER. Site-writers make just as many mistakes as anyone else -- and whoever writes them may not even have seen the movie at all (as I think was the case for the Zira = sister one). So yes, I ignored your website. And the date in your book is for when it was PUBLISHED, not necessarily when it was WRITTEN. Think on it LOGICALLY, Werebs -- do you think Disney took the time for quality control to ensure that every single book got changed to match the movie's changes? They got most of them (obviously) -- but apparently one got through unedited. Look at that foreign language one that says Vitani was to be Kovu's mate -- do you say THAT must be true also because someone wrote it in an SP book? Hardly -- you'll have all sorts of reasons why it's not to be taken seriously (and I'd agree with you that it was a mistake). You can't just randomly say one book author was magically in the know just because it agrees with your theories.

Also, those book writers are not the ones that worked on the movie, nor do most of them work for Disney -- they're just writers that are hired to write the book versions of the movies. So what makes you think they know more than you or I? They get shown the movie (or whatever) and they write a written version of what they see. Since Zira acts so obsessively over Scar, it's easy to say "hey, yeah -- she was Scar's mate/lover/Queen", just as you have. Websites written by who knows who, and books written by outside authors are NOT reasons to dismiss what the director told everyone. Now if one of the movie's story writers or a producer or someone else who worked in a position to make such decisions comes out and contradicts Rooney, then there is a reason to debate it.

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September 15, 2011
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And you ignored the site I posted.

Besides, that CEO got fired, so is his word really reliable? Also, my book was made after SP's creation, not before. according to the date.

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September 13, 2011
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Correction Werebs: Your book does not trump the director's words. I'm sorry you want Zira as Scar's mate -- so did the makers of SP -- but the CEO of Disney said no, so she's not. Whether you or I like it is irrelevant. Would it make more sense? Hell yes. But is that how it is? No. Many times the merchandise for the movies is made before the final editing is done to the movie (that's how they can release the stuff to coincide with the movie, or even release it BEFORE), and often that early merchandise is flawed or contradicts what is given in the final product. The Nuka beanie is a GREAT example. Your book is another. Every other book labels Zira a devoted follower, which is exactly what Rooney said they 'obscured' her to be. Was that stupid? Yes, and I blame the CEO for that. But it doesn't change the fact that Zira isn't his Queen or mate any longer.

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September 10, 2011
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Kovu is scar's son. There are 4 hints.
1.They look alike
2. In Simba's dream Scar morphs into Kovu. This mean that they are related somehow.
3.When Kovu looks into the water he sees Scar just lie Simba saw Mufasa in the 1st movie
4. He even gets a scar on the exct same eye as Scar.

I dont know how i could make it any more obvious.

September 09, 2011
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Correction Rinja. He said they're relationship was unclear(obscured in his exact word though). These two primary sources, one a book the other an official website: http://images.wikia.com/lionking/images/c/cc/2365877.png and http://www.disney.in/corporate/pr_pro_12.htm clearly says she was Scar's former mate.

Edit: That isn't to say i agree with you though. Maybe in your fanfiction, but no Kovu isn't Scar's son. Maybe you should read this: http://www.animationsource.org [...] d_film=14&numg=162635&dopost=1

September 08, 2011
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Lol Well thank you Rinja XD

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September 08, 2011
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iIdisagree entirely -- the creators of the movie went well out of their way to get away from Scar being the father of Kovu. They changed lines, changed scenes, cut others, and so on. They even put multiple lines for the characters to say that explicitly say that Kovu was not fathered by Scar. Nuka and Vitani are certainly open for debate and interpretation, but not Kovu. Darell Rooney (the director) went even further to say that Scar and Zira were not even mates -- she was just a fanatical follower.

Yes, Kovu was originally SUPPOSED to be Scar's son -- but the CEO of Disney nixed the whole idea because of the incest aspect of it (again, according to the director). So since that idea was NOT acceptable, the CREATORS of the film made sure to erase any connection between Scar and Kovu.

Do I think that decision was very, very lame, and very very weak? YES. Do I think the incest that would have resulted was so objectionable? NO. But was I in charge? NO. Was it my decision to make? NO. So while I think the story would have been better (not to mention make more sense) if Kovu had remained as Scar's son, the sad fact remains that Disney CHANGED it so he was not. No matter how much I may despise them for doing so, they did it.

But by all means, write fanfiction where you change that! That's what our imaginations are for! =D

September 08, 2011
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I have to agree with Elchivato, Scar is not Kovu's father (Even if he was orginally meant to be, that's just scrap paper that means nothing now.)

In the movie it is mentioned by Nuka that Scar wasn't Kovu's father and that he had just took him in. And incase no one heard Nuka, it was once again mentioned by Kovu who tells Kiara that Scar wasn't his father. I don't know how they could make it anymore clear that that. If you didn't hear those lines then maybe watch the movie one more time?

Sorry but I really don't understand why it's difficult for people to realise that Scar and Kovu aren't father and son when it's clearly mentioned a couple of times in the movie.

:)

August 23, 2011
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Call me a whiny know-it-all or whatever you want but I think my point stands valid; the way you lay this all out is confusing and self-contradicting. BECAUSE you speak of the change that Disney did yet at the same time you're saying that there was no change. You seem to acknowledge the idea of a change happened but not that it actually made a practical difference to the characters and that it affects the way the matter should be phrased if wished to state it truthfully/factually.

"thats because he is originally kovu's father"
See, there's your problem. "is originally" is not logical. 'WAS originally' is.

I mean; when something has been changed the original situation no longer exists, because the change altered it. The original situation can not be talked about as if it still IS because it's GONE because it was ALTERED with the CHANGE. That's why the title is incorrect. Scar IS not Kovu's father. He only WAS in an earlier version of the story. That's why there's no point in trying to prove that he still IS his father. Because that simply is not true anymore, as the official truth was altered with the change.

I'm sorry if my feedback has come off in too negative way that it made you lash at me instead of actually answering my questions and thinking of what I'm trying to say. And above there the capslock letters, I only meant to put emphasis on the words, not shout.

August 22, 2011
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thats because he is originally kovu's father and im just making it known to everyone and if you know then you'd stop spamming my artical thinking you know everything. Im seriously getting annoyed incase you didn't read at the bottum


"For people who don't like this topic or artical you don't have to comment on it. I Won't have whiney people on here acting like they know everything."

August 22, 2011
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"Im talking about the actual creators of the movies. The characters don't count as saying it."

Except that it was the creators of the movie who created those words and put them into the characters' mouths so it is actually the creators of the movie saying that Scar is not Kovu's father. They're just saying it through the characters' lines. And as far as I know the director has said it directly himself too.

"Like i siad there was proof he was once his son but the creators of disney changed it. What part of that is hard for you to understand ?"

But I do understansd that. It's you who seems not to understand that. If you look below there to the previous comments, I critisized the contradicting way that you deal with this article. The title says Scar IS Kovu's father, the article points out that he is NOT but only WAS originally, then in the comments whenever someone says that Scar is not Kovu's father unlike your title claims, you argue against it. So I'm still confused what is it that you want with this article?

Another thing I don't understand is what points do you believe your family tree proves? It's a fact that the sequel film's makers ignored the Six New Adventures books as they made the cub from the first film to be Kiara and not Kopa. So, stuffing Ahadi and Uru into the family tree doesn't work because they're from the books the film makers chose to shut out. And Mohatu was not created by the person who created Ahadi and Uru nor by the film's makers, so he either doesn't work for a family tree member, not to mention as proof for anything about the movie.

I'm glad that you enjoyed writing this, but with all respect I'm just saying this is not laied out too consistantly and the family tree base isn't very reliable for proof intentions.

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