Outlanders - the most canon explanations

Outlanders - the most canon explanations


Gathering of some facts and info about Oulander theories


Upon reading some old articles revolving around famous questions about Outlanders origin, Zira, Kovu, Vitani, Nuka, their relations with Scar and with each other, I decided to write this little article. I will try to gather facts and answer those questions without mixing up semi-canon and canon and without drifting too far in fanon theories. There will be some speculations, but I will always try to back them up on canon facts.

Again, I won't even include the semi-canon here (SNA, comics) so please don't go commenting that "Zira was exiled for killing Kopa", "Vitani is TamaXTojo daughter". Comics and books are NOT a part of Lion King canon. It's okay to have your own fan theories but this is not what this article is about.

Alright, let's begin.

 

1. Zira was not Scar's mate.

It's confirmed that Zira is not a mate of Scar. She was originally designed as Scar's mate and Kovu was her and Scar's son, but as soon as the producers realized that Kovu and Kiara would be cousins, Kovu was changed to be an orphan and Zira was degraded to be "just a follower" to Scar.

Kovu

Alos delted scene from the first movie tells us that Scar never had a queen and probably any cubs (it's the same scene that was turned into Madness Of king Scar part in Broadway musical).

"...A loving familly, a devoted queen..." - Zazu (poiting out things that Scar lacks)

"A queen! I need a queen! She will rule by my side, we'll have cubs! Little Scars running all over the place, my heir. My descendants. My lineage. I will be immortal!" - Scar

2. Kovu is not Zira's biological son.

Darrell Rooney, director of Simba's Pride made a statement on his Facebook page about Kovu being an orphan, which means that Zira couldn't be his biological mother.

Kovu

3. Kovu was born in the Pridelands and Scar knew Kovu.

I think this one is rather obvious, even though Nala and Simba seemed not to know about Kovu untill they met him playing with Kiara, it's contantly hinted that Scar knew Kovu.

Firstly we have a deleted scene with Rafiki discovering that there is "another cub in the Pridelands" and it's supposed to be Kovu.

Later we have this line:

"Kovu was the last born before you exiled us to the Outlands" - Zira to Simba

there are mutliple lines about about Scar and Kovu relation:

"Scar took you in and accepted you as his own son." - Zira to Kovu (deleted scene)

"Kovu is the chosen one. We must fulfill Scar's dying wish, and train Kovu to become King." - Zira to Nuka (deleted scene)

"haven't you met my son, Kovu? He was hand-chosen by Scar to follow in his pawprints... and become King!" - Zira to Simba

And many other dialogues like that suggest that Scar knew Kovu, he adopted him and his wish was to make Kovu his heir.

4. Nuka and Vitani are most likely not Scar's children neither.

We heard that "He wasn't my father" thing from Kovu many times, so that relation is made clear, but how about Nuka and Vitani? I don't think they were Scar's children neither. Most of all, they never refer to him as "father". Why would they refer to him by name, not just father? I think if they were Scar's children, it would be made clear.

Nuka, in my opinion, and what many facts point to, is not Scar's son. In the original script Kovu and Nuka were one character (aka. Nunka) and he was Scar's son, but it was changed (see above). Again, Nuka refers to him as "Scar", not "father". He desperately wants his mother to notice him and give him a more important role, however his arguments are that he is "the oldest, I'm the strongest, I'm the smartest". It repeats from a deleted scene:

"You know, speaking of kings... I was thinking, since I am the oldest... maybe I should be King! Huh?" - Nuka to Zira (deleted scene)

Don't you think that the strongest agument would be the fact that he is Scar's true son? Yes, I think he would use it if he actually had it. Nuka thinks he's threated unfair, but mostly because he's the oldest, yet Zira ignores him and thinks him stupid. If he was Scar's son, he would surely mention it and be frustrated over the fact that orphan is placed higher than him. Obviously he's not Scar's son because if he was -he would surely mention it.

Not to mention Zira, who is obsessed with Scar, never refers to her kids as Scar's kids. Wouln't she, take pride to mother Scar's heir? Also at Nuka's death, Zira says:

"Scar... watch over my poor Nuka."

Nobody, neither Zira, Kovu or Nuka, even in their moments of despair, never say anything that could prove Scar's fatherhood of Zira's children.

 

 

That's all I could gather from scripts and official info. I hope some things have been explained to you, and please don't just go with "UR RONG!!!!1one *insert fanon theory*". I tried to explain the unclear parts of the movie as much as I could and like I said, this article is not mean for fanon speculations so keep them off the comments as well.






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February 15, 2019
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Plus, if Kovu was an orphan, then how would Zira and Scar adopt him if they weren't married?
Conclusion: Zira is Kovu's mother.

February 15, 2019
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Actually, you're wrong.

1. Zira is Scar's wife. Darrell Rooney and Cindy Marcus recently confirmed that Zira was Scar's wife. The team didn't scrap the relationship between her and Scar, they obscured it and made it ambiguous as to whether or not they are mates. There is a deleted scene that holds more evidence of this claim.

2.Zira is Kovu's mother. Darrell Rooney only described Kovu as an orphan to get Micheal Eisner to agree with him. Eisner was the one who put a stop to Kovu and Scar's relation as he did not like nor stand for the idea of two blood related cousins falling in love and marrying. But in the Proud of Simba's Pride documentary, he described Kovu as Scar's protege and the son of Zira.

3. Zira is Kovu, Nuka, and Vitani's mother with an undisclosed mate. Darrell Rooney stated that these cubs were originally supposed to be Scar's cubs, with Kovu as Scar's favorite cub and heir to the throne. But this would create incest between Kovu and Kiara as cousins so they changed him to Scar's protege. Nuka and Vitani were changed as if they remained Scar's cubs, they would've been the rightful heirs to the throne. Nuka was too dumb to know that. But since Zira was Scar's wife, that makes Nuka, Vitani and Kovu his Step Children.

4. Scar didn't adopt Kovu. The Lion King Wiki and Disney Wiki describe Scar as the adoptive father to Kovu. This is not true as Darrell Rooney stated that animals don't adopt. However in the Proud of Simba's Pride Documentary, he describes Kovu as Scar's protege, making Scar his Step Father and mentor.
He was also dismissive about Nuka and Vitani, and treated them like garbage, which could suggest he was an abusive stepfather to the cubs.

You need to edit your article because it has a lot of flaws.

October 25, 2016
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He clearly doesn''t rememeber his own movie is he says that Kovu is son of Scar...

October 24, 2016
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I'm not sure about this.... I found this the other day and I asked them if it's opinion or fact I'm really confused about this post. Any thoughts? http://tlkskittles5384.deviant [...] ons-Bill-Motz-speaks-639372440

September 26, 2016
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Article updated with previously missing image and s little bit of additional info in the last part.

September 26, 2016
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We don't know that, okay?
"this article is not mean for fanon speculations so keep them off the comments as well."
I made this article because I was tired of fanonn speculation articles and people desperately trying to excuse their theories. Just leave it alone already unless you have some proof from decisive people :icon297:

September 25, 2016
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Thus, maybe Nuka didn't know or he wasn't aloud to tell anyone that he was Scar's son.

September 19, 2016
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Mmm.... Indeed.

September 19, 2016
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But you're only poiting me to his fan interpretations now. I really hope this article would be free of "who is related to who" headcanon arguments ░x░

September 19, 2016
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Ok, I am not trying to argue but if it wasn't for HIM, then we wouldn't have got the Facebook messages so, Atleast be thankful.

September 18, 2016
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Seriously don't throw Wereberus at me. He's a stuck up who's know of harassing people who don't follow his headcanon. His words are not a law and don't confirm or change anything.

I reply - This article was NOT made to argue about fan theories and headcanons!

September 18, 2016
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And also, Wereberues even made
a post about Nuka and Scar's lineage. "Nunka IS Nuka." Their was no Kovu during production. http://www.animationsource.org [...] aentage/164283.html&id_film=13

September 18, 2016
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Ok, but they still did have an ACTUAL realationship but it is unclear to what "type" of relationship they even had. Even Werebereus (The original poster) interpreted it as this. http://comments.deviantart.com/1/287763490/4216442784

September 18, 2016
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I don't think so. After all creations go though a lot of changes before final release. I though that deleted scenes presented were not really defining the canon we know today and I think direcors themselves admited there was just not enough time to include everything or the scenes were too inappropriate (ex. Nuka and Zira's death scene is SP or Scar&Nala scene).
But information like Zira was going to be Scar's mate or Nala was going to have a brother I do not consider canon if it was deleted completely form the final plot.

September 18, 2016
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Just to clear things up- if a scene was deleted or the information wasn't released to the public...Is it still actually cannon if we didn't see it in the final product?



September 18, 2016
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Yes, just like he said, they were supposed to be longtime mates, but this relationship was obscured to just a idol&follower.
Again', I'm just giving the canon, official information, not arguing about fan theories.

September 18, 2016
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He also said that Zira and Scar had an "Obscure relationship." So they did have a relationship.

August 13, 2016
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@Trollber, Yes, I have to agree with you trollber, Also though IN MY perosnal opinion I don't think it really confirms Zira not being Scar's mate. All it says is that she was going to be Scar's long time mate as in she knew him longer than anyone else. But about the Nuka thing, I tried to do some possible research of finding an actual interview video/source but failed to find any as I couldn't find a source. But we won't really know until we hear about it on the lion guard when Nuka,Kovu and Vitani guest star on the lion guard. So hopefully I think that they MIGHT mention Scar a couple of times as they did it in the movie. So, theirs a slight chance that they will/might talk about scar so that we can get the actual answers. Also, I think that there is a possibility that rafiki might also mention them in the cave of paintings.

August 12, 2016
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I don't even know about this Capricornfox person and what they did, but any other personal email or question hasn't been published by Disney neither.
As I said in the end of my article, I'm only basing this on the official proof. My fanon preferences may be different, but this article is not about supporting fan theories, but for searchinf for realiable facts. To me, canonicaly, Nuka is not Scar's son. It doesn't make sense to me for reasons posted above and for some other reasons I found in the movie later.

August 12, 2016
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@Trollber, From where? Capricornfoxs post? In my personal opinion I think that could have been made up and altered Easily. If it was true then wouldn't Disney have already tweeted it and posted it on their social media pages? Also, To be honest she could have wrote it in words, HER words. Words that could have been altered. There is no proof to support this except a possible story she made. But that's just my opinion but like you said there really is no proof to support this. About the rest, yes Zira WAS going to be Scar's mate but they changed it because it would be incest and Kovu and Kiara would have been related but just because they weren't mates in the final bit doesn't mean that they didn't mate. In my opinion I think it's possible that they could have mated only to produce Nuka and then choose another heir (Kovu) But this is just my opinion by the way. But I don't trust everything I believe on the Internet. I Guess that we will just have to wait for the 3 Cubs to star on the Lion guard.

August 10, 2016
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Oh well, this person is infamous for creating drama and trying to convince people to their theories.

I think that Nunka (Kovu's role) was either a single character and the character for Nuka's role didn't exist or there were two characters - Nunka/Kovu and a supposting bad character that later became Nuka, but was refered to as just "the bad guy" in concept art.

Now I heard of some mysterious interview that confuirms Scar was not Zira's mate and none of the kids are his, but I have yet to wait for confirmation.

August 10, 2016
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Well to be honest I agree with most of this :icon299: but about the Zira is not Scar's mate one we are never given a full answer because Darrell says that their was relationship was obscured and then he says that she is just a follower and then he kinda contradicts him self. Also, About the Nuka theory here's what I found on DA it's quite interesting. http://scarxzira10889tlk.devia [...] tani-and-Nuka-s-sire-210046545

January 29, 2015
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This explains a lot, but I just stay out of TLKII lore for my own sake XD when it comes to fan characters, I don't really make family tree's because I don't want to have to deal with all the lore I have to dig up

January 28, 2015
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I agree with you. There are so many univereses and theories in TLK, I keep having headaches XD




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