Mohatu's heir: Ahadi or Uru?

Mohatu's heir: Ahadi or Uru?


My take(once more) on the matter



This isn't as fierce a debate as many other theories in the TLK fandom, but it does irritate me somewhat when I see people make Ahadi Mohatu's child. This is my take on the matter...



Not that it conflicts with my theories, but their reasons are poor. So far i've heard:



All Lion Kings have been male

Ahadi is reffered to as The Lion King, so he is royal born

Ahadi teaches the Royal sons, so he must be heir

Mufasa heard about the great king's from his father, so Ahadi was royalty



All these reasons can be easily countered.



All Male Rulers

This is a blatant lie. KIARA is a female, and she's more canon than Kopa. Also, how does anyone know Mohatu HIMSELF isn't a consort? Yes, I believe he was the royal king, but it looks to me like you all are assuming since his queen is never mention HE is the royal son of the one of the three daughters. How do you know his queen isn't royalty? You don't, so at least give it some thought before jumping to conclusions.



"The Lion King"

Personally, I don't count this term "The Lion King" as canon. Sure, it's used in 6NA and various TLK AND SP books, but is it ever said once in the movie?



No.



In the movie, the ruler is referred to as "King" or "Queen". No "The Lion" comes before it. And even IF that's his title, most of us believe Ahadi and Uru had a pretty steady relationship. I've seen deviants deviate away from canon(doesn't conflict with the movie so it's alright) but i prefer to stick to it: Ahadi WAS the King. Perhaps Uru let him be the king instead of a simple consort she needed for cubs? This would indicate a good relationship between the two, don't you think? Also he appoints Zuzu as his advisor and Uru doesn't seem bothered by this as Zazu is Mufasa's advisor.





 



Or perhaps she was. Maybe she came back, scolded Ahadi, told Zuzu and her son to GTFO. It would tie "Friends in Need" and "A Tale of Two brothers" nicely.





 





Ahadi taught his sons

Ahadi only taught Mufasa. This is said straight out on the back of the book, that he taught Mufasa for hours. There is no past tense here. The books simply says "So Ahadi spent hours with him, teaching him with him what he needed to know" not he HAD been teaching him so the lessons could be fairly early. Uru was gone, so obviously she couldn't do anything, thus the task was left up to Ahadi.

Thing is, Ahadi doesn't teach either of his sons anything. In fact he was being taught himself by Rafiki.



It makes since as a male, Ahadi would've taught Mufasa how to fight and defend and that Mufasa would probably want to spend more time with him than his mother doing 'girl stuff'(even Kopa comments on this in 6NA).



So, Mufasa's line about being taught about the great cirle of life? Well Kiara taught Kovu. Uru could've taught Ahadi, and considering Ahadi was teaching Mufasa, why WOULDN'T Ahadi tell Mufasa?



That's a nice argument, but easily curved to make Uru still the heir with support directly from the canon SP.



Now for the things SUPPORTING Uru's Royal parentage



Uru's fur color

Is dark. No matter which version of Ahadi you believe, her fur has to dark like he son Taka's. How do I know? Well, in the book Ahadi and Mufasa sit side by side in one picture and Ahadi is 2 or 3 shades darker than his son. We already know Mufasa is an orangey gold so one could conclude Ahadi is a dusky gold.



Which means Uru is dark. Mohatu's fur is dark, a few shades darker than Scar's. http://images.wikia.com/lionking/images/b/b7/Mohatu_onrock.png http://images.wikia.com/lionking/images/2/26/16724.jpg



Many excuses I've see when I present this information is "Well Mohatu's queen could've had golden fur, green eyes, and a black tail tuft!"



Further support my argument. Either way you go, Ahadi looks NOTHING like Mohatu. Ahadi has a red or/and black mane. Mohatu has neither, and anyone who knows me knows I don't believe certain traits can be inherited from grandparents due to the simple fact it's NEVER shown to happen in the TLK universe.



Also, lioness are only shown with brown tail tufts, this never changes ever anywhere, so Uru's couldn't have been black.



Scar's Bad Genes

Scar comments he has bad genes('But i'm afraid i'm on the shallow end of the gene pool' http://www.mylionking.com/w/images/a/ac/The_Lion_King_%28comic%29_05.jpg ) So one of his parents had to have poor genes and have passed it to him.



Ahadi wasn't this lion, as you can clearly see in the book he was fit and strong, and the text doesn't conflict with this.



Then there's the simple fact weaklings weren't allowed on the throne. (Scar is ignored for Mufasa, and Nuka is ignored for Kovu).



So it had to be Uru.



A terrible drought occurs during Mohatu's days as king, and the lack of food and water for himself let alone the pride and the queen, could've made Uru a runt. Mohatu lived a long time, the longest of any king, as said by the book, perhaps TWO droughts could've hit and this caused him to die and made recovery for Uru impossible.



Mufasa's stark difference to the Pride

Mufasa is the only lion in his pride with golden fur. Everyone else is cream, beige, tan or brown. Further supports Uru being the heir.



Lionesses tend to resemble their queen in TLK movies. In the first one, alot of them looked like Sarabi and in the second one, alot of them looked like Nala and Kiara(who'd be the future queen). In the outlands, many of the lionesses resemble Zira or Vitani.



We've established Uru has brown fur, so the golden fur comes from Ahadi and since Mufasa is the only one in the pride with this fur, it's safe to say Ahadi was the consort, not a royal king. What throws many people off is Scar's outsider genes, which makes everyone believe Uru was the wanderer.



Well, no outsiders were a part of the pride during Mohatu's reign, or Ahadi's reign(besides Ahadi himself, possibly), or Mufasa's reign(never seen or mentioned, thouh some books call them rebels...), so they had to be part of Scar's reign and exiled in Simba's.



That being said, Mohatu's mate was pridelander, like he himself was as lions really don't marry outside their pride.(Mufasa and Sarabi were betrothed, Nala and Simba were betrothed, Simba is reluctant in letting Kovu get with Kiara due to the 'Tradition going back generations'.)



Uru searches for the water

Not Ahadi. Ahadi simply stays to calm the animals and probably teach in his mates place since Uru leaves. Neither Mufasa or Scar have much of a relationship with their father, so it's safe to say Uru, as the Royal Queen, taught her sons similar to how Simba taught his daughter.



Uru leaves to find water, just like Mohatu does. I'm telling you, their similarities are UNCANNY.





Diversity

One of the main reasons I support this theory: It's good to have some royal females over males yeah? I get tired of seeing the same thing over and over.





Conclusion: Uru was a runt, born to Mohatu, the king, and she made Ahadi her king and produced two cubs with him: A stud(Mufasa) and a runt like herself(Taka. This could run in the family, or at least Taka's side. Just look at Nuka.). Uru knows the land better than Ahadi and leaves to find water, passing the teaching duties to Ahadi since they are young males who need their father's male teaching and she couldn't do it herself because she was gone. 






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leapardlover
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January 26, 2015
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I FULLY agree with you. If Simba had a DAUGHTER, then there must be SOMEONE in his family tree that had a daughter too-it might 'run' in the family. That also proves Mohatu had Uru. Mohatu's dark shade give to Uru, and Uru to Scar. As you said, Ahadi does not look anything like Mohatu. Many people say that Ahadi might have genes from his mother, i've heard, but i dont believe that. It doesnt make sense. People say he has a similiar appearance from the books. He looks too much like mufasa there, nothing given to scar. He should be a mix of both of them, but mostly like scar with mufasa's colours. Same goes for Uru.

March 31, 2013
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AppleDash>You
I still think Ahadi was his son

June 03, 2012
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Well why can't Ahadi be Mohatu's son? Ahadi could have looked more like his mother!°x°

October 22, 2011
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@Juliet-> I believe she ment that Kiara taught Kovu about the great kings of the past, the circle of life and all the pridelanders theories that her father had taught her. Not that she taught him to hunt or fight, it was obvious she was no good at that hahaha.

It would seem they taught eachother, as a couple should always do.

October 10, 2011
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@ElChivato--->I agree with Brown Wolf and Werebereus. You seem to be the only one excluding the other stories. That's your opinion, and that's fine, but just because you think somethng doesn't mean everyone else has to think the same. Try to be open to other people's opinions as well as your own. You can have your opinion and everyone else can have theres, basically, no-one is right or wrong. ElChivato is right in saying they weren't created by the same people and could POSSIBLY not be intentionally related, but Werebereus and Brown Wolf are right in saying they don't need to be included in each others story to be related, and they POSSIBLY could be related. Both sides are right.

I personally believe they are related, but I'm not saying you are wrong ElChivato, I'm saying you could be right, and could be wrong. It wasn't officially confirmed if they were related, but that doesn't make it false.

October 10, 2011
Global Moderator Usa Female Is not currently on the site
El Chivato -- Actually, there a lot of people who do care. You seem to be the only one, at least here, who doesn't. Are you saying Werebereus is wrong in his thinking? He's being opened and he has a point.

October 09, 2011
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@ Wereberus:

"It doesn't matter if they aren't made by the same people. That's like saying since Nala has a different animator in SP than she does in TLK it's not the same Nala."

Not exactly the same king. At least both Nalas were created by Disney, the books' new characters aren't.

"It seems ElChavito, you are the only one who refuses to link the two stories. You prefer sticking to the movies, which is fine, but the rest of use see TLK's comics, movies and books as one big universe tied together in some way, fanfiction or not."

You wish. There are numerous/countless people who don't give a crap about the books and comics, as in care about them even less than I do.

juliet
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September 25, 2011
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I really enjoyed your statement and agree with you very much but seriously, some of your facts are incorrect, such as "Kiara taught Kovu"? Um no, Kovu taught Kiara, well, at least in the movies. Otherwise, your article was great.

September 24, 2011
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Werebereus -- Thank you! :P

September 24, 2011
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It doesn't matter if they aren't made by the same people. That's like saying since Nala has a different animator in SP than she does in TLK it's not the same Nala. It's pretty obvious they had no intention to link the two: Ahadi/Uru are never mentioned in TBS, same with Mohatu for TLK6NA.

It seems ElChavito, you are the only one who refuses to link the two stories. You prefer sticking to the movies, which is fine, but the rest of use see TLK's comics, movies and books as one big universe tied together in some way, fanfiction or not.

Alex Simmons denied Kopa, and he was the author of one book. That doesn't mean everything ELSE is denied.

September 20, 2011
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(continued from the below comment)

"Besides, The Brightest Star is titled: The Lion King: The Brightest Star. Having the same name as the movie... There may very well be a connection to the movie universe, even though it's not mentioned."

There is a connection: The book is BASED ON the movie. That's why it carries its name. There isn't any more connection between them than there is between the rest of the books and comics and the movies that contradict each other making it impossible for them all to connect with teh movies in more than based-on matter - and if this doesn't connect on deeper means why should that other one do so any more likely. The connections and character relations would be debatable if Disney had created the books/comics characters and had not approved contradictions amongst them. Not caring to create more characters themselves and not caring about contradictions means not intenting the stuff to connect to their own creation as anything but based-on way.

"The Lion King as a whole is not some narrow road, doesn't just begin and end with the movies."

According to Disney, official The Lion King does begin and end with the movies and the rest is just alternate universe through outsider-created merchandise. They make that very clear by ignoring the books and comics when they made the sequel. If they meant everything to be part of the actual The Lion King they would not approve contradicting books and would not ignore them in the movies and ultimately would create everything themselves. The movies are the only thing Disney itself created, so the movies are The Lion King. The rest is alternate universe.

September 20, 2011
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(continued from the below comment)

"Just because there's no reference as to whether Mohatu is the father of Uru - if Ahadi was a rogue - or if he's the father of Ahadi - if Uru is either A. a member of the pride, or B. the daughter of a rogue lioness and her father being the Selfish Lion aka Choyo in The Brightest Star doesn't mean that a connection is null and void. It IS possible, either scenario.""

That's one big fat IF followed by nothing but your fanfiction ideas based on no facts which makes it pointless for a debate but great for a mere discussion. The connection that exists is only the facts that their both official Disney books which is not much base for debate in this messy franchise.

September 20, 2011
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"It's not like the authors thought about that stuff - they didn't. They were too focused on their main characters."

Only proves my point more. How could they be meant as one family tree if their creators didn't even think about such things. You can't mean something to be unless you first think about it.

I think in this kind of situation as where The Lion King franchise is, forming and discussing ideas and visions for the character relations is cool, but theories and debating them is rather pointless. Because Disney allowed most of the official characters and stuff to be created by countless different outsiders and approved their stuff with lots of contradictions between them and the movies as well as between themselves. And tthen Disney seperated all that self-contradicting stuff from the movies. So, OBVIOUSLY Disney does not mean the franchise to be one big, logical vision and entity but more like 'the official movie universe story, bunch of seperate fanfiction visions and a parody movie'. And chances are that if anyone meant The Brightest Star characters to officially mesh with SNA characters, the SNA would be Seven New Adventrues instead of Six. So why theorize and debate on something which copyright holder obviously never meant to be one entity? Why not just share personal preferences and discuss them?

September 20, 2011
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Maybe the reason Ahadi, Uru and Mohatu weren't mentioned in their respective stories is because the story wasn't about the other. But because they were created by different people, doesn't mean that they aren't connected to each other in some form of manner. It's not like the authors thought about that stuff - they didn't. They were too focused on their main characters.

Just because there's no reference as to whether Mohatu is the father of Uru - if Ahadi was a rogue - or if he's the father of Ahadi - if Uru is either A. a member of the pride, or B. the daughter of a rogue lioness and her father being the Selfish Lion aka Choyo in The Brightest Star doesn't mean that a connection is null and void. It IS possible, either scenario. Even though the authors didn't give clarification. Well, that's their fault, their folly.

Besides, The Brightest Star is titled: The Lion King: The Brightest Star. Having the same name as the movie... There may very well be a connection to the movie universe, even though it's not mentioned. The Lion King as a whole is not some narrow road, doesn't just begin and end with the movies.

September 20, 2011
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@ Werebereus:

My point tries to be that he doesn't HAVE TO be because he's not created by the same person who created Ahadi and Uru, and is not even mentioned in their story, and the authors have not confirmed anything. Thus he CAN be but doesn't HAVE TO be, which means that fans can make up their own OC in their places and would not be contradicting anything official. And that OC would be just as valid a theory than any of the official characters are, because Mohatu's creator could've intented his children to be his own OC he just never mentioned in the books. Same with Simmons.

September 20, 2011
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@El Chivato

So what? If Mohatu is Simba's Biological great-grandfather and ahadi and Uru are his biological grandparents he HAD to be on their fathers, intentional or not.

September 19, 2011
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I'll take Uru being Mohatu's child over Ahadi any day. Nice article, Werebereus. Very nice. :)

September 19, 2011
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Whoo,again a good article^^ i loved it.And i'm also tired of seeing males as the lion king,Lion Queens should be better xD

September 19, 2011
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I don't think Mohatu is related to either Ahadi or Uru.
Because they were written by two completely different people and don't exist in each others' stories. The Six New Adventures don't mention Mohatu and The Brightest Star does not mention Ahadi and Uru, so it's unlikely the authors had decided to combine their family trees.

But this is one of the questions I've asked from Alex Simmons. One of the questions he has not answered yet.




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