How official are The Lion King: Six New Adventures

How official are The Lion King: Six New Adventures


My review about the matter.


I originally posted this at Fanpop's The Lion King club as bendaimmortal.

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I've never really written a reviewing article on this matter about those books. So here I go. This topic has been debated ALOT lately in the online fandom so I thought I'd gather the most crucial facts from the midst of the confusing debates and try to address them through common sense point of view.

1. The Six New Adventures were released among many other books that contradict the SNA books.
----> So why should the SNA be any more canon/semi-canon than one of the other books?

2. The Six New Adventures were not written by those people who created the canon film.
----> And the first book in the series is its author's original story. His official personal web site says so. Apparently Disney hired bunch of childrens' books authors to make up stories. So how could the books be canon/semi-canon when the stories are not from the canon's creators' iimagination?

3. The canon film's creators called the cub at the end "Fluffy" and made no gender reference. This happened AFTER a boy/Kopa was visioned and released in the books.
----> So how could Kopa be canon/semi-canon when the canon's creators have never said he is - while giving the cub at the end a unisex name? How could a boy cub be canon/semi-canon when the canon's greators never said it is but left it genderless? How could Kiara replace a boy/Kopa when the only other character mentioned in the movie universe into which Kiara was created, was a genderless Fluffy?

4. The Six New Adventures were never released outside USA and were never re-printed.
----> How could they be canon/semi-canon when the company that holds all the power over them, doesn't make sure that they'll be known worldwide like the film is and doesn't even bother to re-print them? To me that speaks of a merchandise testing, which when not succeeded as hoped it might, was never tried for again.

5. Official in general the books are - no one can deny that.
----> But some of their fans choose to ignore or twist the other facts mentioned above and are happy to claim that they must be officially canon/semi-canon just because they're official.

But wait, that can't be! Because The Walt Disney Company has tons of official books and comics for this fandom and those comics contradict each other or the canon film, and those books contradict each other. Thus, it's impossible for official to equal official canon/semi-canon.

Because of the contradictions, a fan is forced to pick and choose from the comic and book contents, if wishing to make a storyline. And when you have to pick and choose, the thing becomes your personal preference which of course is not REALLY what happened/is in the movies, it's not official. Instead it becomes in other words: your personal fanfiction.

5.1. Some acknowledge that Kopa is not official canon/semi-canon but still believe that the rest of the books' contents are. (Like Ahadi and Uru to be really Mufasa and Scar's parents, Scar's name to be Taka, and his scar a result of a bufaalo attack.) Perhaps it would be interesting to consider the fact that as those characters and events origin from Kopa's storybooks and also are part of Kopa's family history, they got denied along with Kopa. As Kopa doesn't exist in the movie, anything from his life can't exist either. Believing otherwise falls into the category of picking and choosing personal preferences which is fanfiction.

Like the theory "Zira killed Kopa/Kopa disappeared/ran away" getting claimed and widely accepted as official and as "what really happened" - is in fact and in all honesty nothing more but unofficial fanfiction. Not only because all the facts say that Kopa never existed in the movies and obviously Zira never existed in Kopa's books...but also because nothing like that ever happened in any official footage.

6. Simba's Pride's makers have officially confirmed that in their story the cub is Kiara. In this official interview they say "It starts off where the first film left us with a twist - you think it's a king but it's a queen!" And remark also that he says that we THINK it's a boy, not that it actually was in the film itself. But the point is, one of the animators have confirmed that in their story Kiara IS the cub at the end of the first film.

FOR THE LAST: I don't hate Kopa. He's just there, so how could I hate him as a character. And I don't hate Kopa fans. I'm sure they're all very nice and smart people. They just lack showing it in the Kopa matters - so I only hate the way they pass their personal beliefs off as facts and sometimes take their belief to a religious level.

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June 22, 2019
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Of course they're not canon to the film any more than any other book. But someone should contact Alex Simmons by e-mail and find out if he had anything to do with those German audiobooks and if yes then if he could tell us how that project happened and why were they released only in Germany whilst the 6NA were released only in the US. It's a curious situation but I personally don't care about the book universe enough to be the one to contact him again.

June 01, 2019
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Here's a fun fact: There are two German Audiobooks, which are inspired by 6NA.
The first book; Friends for Life, picks up right after the original film, introducing Kopa, who meets Asante, one of the exiled hyenas from the Pride Lands, and befriends her.
The second book; Fight for the Throne, serves as a sequel to Friends for Life. In this book, Simba and Kopa are banished from Pride Rock after Kesho, an antagonistic cheetah, takes the throne with the help of Fisi, a male hyena who took over Shenzi's clan, and Ed, one of the surviving members of the trio. At the end of the book, Simba takes back the Pride Lands, and Kopa is an adolescent. I don't think these books are canon to 6NA, or the film, because Kovu would be SUPER old by the end of Fight for the Throne.

June 11, 2014
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@ Beltar,

Nah. I wouldn't compare biological human physics to fictional artistic creations that can and do have many creators, universes and visions and therefor can and do have different officiality levels.
Two entirely different matters in life and existence.

February 12, 2014
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Your essey is like a question "Is it possible to be semi-pregnant?" But I doubt you understand that.

April 03, 2013
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Queenlioness626:

Taka got his scar from a water buffalo's horn as is told in the book "A Tale of Two Brothers" which belongs to the Six New Adventures book series. There's no need for theories because there's a literal canon story for it. But ramark that it's only book canon for that particular book series.

The movie's Scar is not Taka. Taka is only a name some outsider came up with for his own version of young Scar in his profit "fanfiction" vision.

So there is no official information as for how the canon as in the movie Scar got his scar.
But I think it's obviously from someone's claw. Whose, I myself haen't really cared to vision. :)

March 11, 2013
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I know this isn't related to the article but how did taka really get his scar there's May theories but I idk if they are real

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October 11, 2012
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I still belive he does exist!

April 28, 2012
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Yep, well, the only real canon lion king ... thing... is the film so in a way, Kopa doesn't exist and all of our comics and stories and ideas are really just "What Ifs" XD But yeah, they're fun ;)

January 27, 2012
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@ Tlkcrazer:

I'm glad if this was helpful. =) But I don't think the cub's creators meant Fluffy to be the name Simba and Nala gave the child. But called it that just to call it something themselves, and published that nickname to make clear that the real name and gender would be up to the viewer to decide. To you it's Kopa and that's fine. To me it's Kiara and that's fine. To someone else it's one's original character and that's fine too. That is as long as people don't try to pass their own preferences as official facts if they're not such.

January 14, 2012
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Thanks! You cleared up a lot ! Considering, I've heard of "fluffy" and I was wondering if he/she was fan-made or named by the creators. I like to think of "fluffy" as Kopa because it just can't be Kiara XD And also Fluffy's a bit of a weird name to give to your own son/daughter so... In my weird mind Kopa and "Fluffy" are the same lion, although I know it can't be possible as far as Disney goes. And yes, Kopa is not canon but some of us like to bring him back like TONS of other characters. Anyway, let the fans do what they like, I say :icon106:

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October 03, 2011
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i think kopa is just one of those fun made up characters. when i was a little girl i used to make up characters all the time when i played with my toys or acted it out with my friends. it just all fun, thats all. people shouldnt take this so seriously. these movies are just family movies. mainly meant for kids but still can be for adults. if these movies were meant just for adults im pretty sure they would have way more details included. disney cant cram all those details in because it would just confuse or bore children.

September 24, 2011
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Wooh! Thank you! :) That is darn interesting interview all in all. I love Balto!

September 23, 2011
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ElChavito-->Sourcecast asked him at the beginning of this summer. You can either listen to it here: http://sourcecast.mypodcast.co [...] einstein_Interview-349856.html

or you can read it here. http://www.animationsource.org [...] 152111/weinstein_interview.pdf

September 23, 2011
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Skulblaka_Shur'tugal:

Who asked him that and where? If tehre's any absolute proof source online, I'd like to add it to my article The cub's timeline.

September 21, 2011
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I would also like to point out Phil Weinstein, a storyboard artist for Lion King 2 (better known as director of Balto II and III) didn't know about Kopa at all, as late as June 2011; when first asked about what happened to Kopa, he didn't even know who Kopa was. So that shows that not even the crew for LK2 knew about Kopa. Non-canon? Perhaps....

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September 12, 2011
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:o Oh my, wonder why I never thought of that? I guess I thought it was another book of some sort.
(It also took me quite a bit to figure out what TLK or TLK2 stood for);)

September 12, 2011
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Nobody -- SP stands for Simba's Pride, which is the name of The Lion King 2

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September 12, 2011
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by the way, I finally figured out SNA stands for six new adventures. What does SP stand for?:/:

August 20, 2011
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*sigh* Kiara can't replace someone who has never existed in the place where she was put. In this case, the movie universe.

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August 13, 2011
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Well they're a part of Kiara's damily history too, since both the creators of SNA and SP meant for the cub at the end of TLK to be their versionof Sim/Nal's offspring, Kiara can replace Kopa no problem.

Basically, that's what she did do.

July 27, 2011
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Yes, I know what you meant and in the comics there are some cubs with an actual mane tuft as in larger, coloured tuft.

In example, Malka: http://www.mylionking.com/wiki/Malka

Also, Simba himself once had a head tuft: http://concept.lionking.org/art/story/miscon05.jpg
^Hence, when I said that they looked into the designs from the first film's production. Not the books or comics.

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July 24, 2011
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I know lots of male cubs have the tuft of hair on the books, but I mean a significantly larger colored tuft, to be precise.

July 22, 2011
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@ Nobody in particular:

"do any of the official lion king books made after the movie depict a cub with a tuft on their heads other than Kopa?"

Not the storybooks, but the official comics do have a few cubs with the head tuft. They could've just as easily read and been inspired by the comics in whatever magazines they were published.

Of course it's always possible that they took the design from Kopa, or from the cubs in the comics. But I just think it's much likelier that they did not, but instead took it from the concept arts of the original film as those were what they said they looked into when they made the sequel, while they've never spoken of the books or comics at all. And it is the Making-of documentaty I'm refering to.

"One other thing: Was Simba actually THAT headstrong?"

Maybe not, but hence the point I made about the typical Disney princesss, which Kiara could easily take after as well. Not in-storily of course but in characteristic matters.

And I don't think the SNA books were really that well known in USA. They just seem popular because of the online community either fawning over or fighting about them. The truth is, they were never released outside USA and they were never re-printed. That speaks of a failute, not well-known-ness.

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July 19, 2011
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One other thing: Was Simba actually THAT headstrong? He seemed a normal boy cub who always wants to go go go, but knew when he could get in trouble but sure felt bad when being corrected taking things a bit more seriously. Kiara couldn't seem to listen too much, (although it sounded like Simba said a lot of things over and over to her,) making her tired of hearing the speeches, but not tired of getting in trouble. It would've been nice if they showed a bit more of her cubs hood though, and wouldn't of been in such a hurry to get her and Kovu to adults. Perhaps then it would've been a bit clearer on that matter.

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July 19, 2011
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But do you think that's a possibility though? I understand how Nuka being a teenager, then on the next part of the movie, an (censored) would have a lot of mane on his head. Unless they were a bit inspired, I don't really understand how such a small cub would have a really big tuft. (And if I got something wrong, do any of the official lion king books made after the movie depict a cub with a tuft on their heads other than Kopa? Or do some of the lion king sketches show any cubs with a big tuft?)
And last of all, perhaps because the books with Kopa in them were significant enough in the US, perhaps they did get inspired by some of the cub designs. Or maybe I'm too logical to go into something like this.

(My own observations by the way.)

July 19, 2011
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@ Nobody in particular:

In the Making of -documentary "Proud of Simba's Pride" they say they looked into the original movie's production for the designs and all that. It is likelier they took Kovu's design from the concept arts of the first film than from some random books that had no connection to the movie other than money-making.

As for the personality; the film literally says it: "She's just like you when you were young." They took Kiara's personality from SIMBA, not Kopa. They might have sourced her head-strongness also from any other Disney princess too.

Seriously, the books don't necessarely have anything to do with the movie.

And I think TLK1½ is a parody of the original movie, and literally intented as such.

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July 18, 2011
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And if I sounded snappy in the very first comment, I apologize;) I was a bit surprised.

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July 18, 2011
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I have one more observation I'd like everyone to hear.
The books did seem semi-official, and even though they were denied when TLK2 came out, there are few things that they did not escape from the books and made it into the movie.
No lion cub ever had a head tuft until Kopa appeared. They had the little hairs on their heads (the male cubs) thicker or thinner than Simba's, but until Kopa came out, none had head tufts. So, they took Kopa's design, and made Kovu it would appear.
And, Kopa appears slightly head strong in the books on what he thinks. They took his personality, and gave it to Kiara. I think had the books never been published, Kovu might've looked different, and Kiara's personality would've been different.
As one more note, Nala behaves in the books as I'd think she would in the Lion King with a cub, watching her/him as they play. This LK2 had Timmon and Pumbaa watching Kiara, which, like with a lot of things, doesn't match the first movie and the books even. But, as for not matching the movie, I believe that's from different directors and animators.
Oh yes, one more thing. Does anyone thing the LK1 1/2 is like a published fanfiction movie?

July 12, 2011
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I love reading fanfics! Horray for more fanfiction!

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July 12, 2011
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At least ther books make sence and pretty well fit with the ending of lion king, unlike even the sequel movie in some areas.
However, the 'genderless' cub at the end of the lionking looks like what Simba did at the beginning. And before I even knew the sequel existed, I thought, 'What a perfect ending!! Simba's son will be king after him!' which then leads to the Six new adventures.
But, if they are such 'insignifcant books,' I wonder how Zazu got there, as well as Rafiki, and who Scar and Mufasa's father was then? Maybe we need more fanfiction to explain if the books are so 'insignificant'!°x° However, yes, there are a few small mixs up with all the books. That simply tells me that everyones opinions (like here) are different. But, as you say, fan fiction is fun fun fun!!
The only other problem why people are so sure of the cub at the end being Kopa (like Anubis says) is because it looks like Simba with the little thing of hair on his head, whereas TKL2 had Kiara without a tuft of fur on her head. If they skipped the presentation, perhaps fan fiction confusion would've been avoided somewhat in that area.

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