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PostPosted: Wed Nov 23, 2011 7:52 am 
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I was watching the movie and noticed that most of the dragons had more than 3 in his breed, while Toothless was the ONLY Night Fury.

My question is: was Toothless the only of his breed? (Night Fury)


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well i guess at the moment but in the past ther was more as in tootlesses parents

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There is no official answer to that.

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I think he is supposed to be the only one of his breed.
As for evidence in the movie, I think the quote below makes it appear that there are no other Night Furies.

"The unholy offspring of lightning and death itself."

It makes it sound as though he appeared from no where, and was not braught to the world like other dragons, by natural birth.

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I believe the movie said they were very rare. I was looking for more NFs while they were in the large cave with the boss dragon, but didn't see any...
so maybe they're more like cats and do what they want without obeying any boss since they're so good at hiding.

I dunno. Since they don't seem to have any natural enemies and are so good at staying out of sight for survival,
I find it hard to believe the Night Fury is one dragon from extinction.

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There's probably other Night Fury's out there in the movie, but they probably don't socialize or hunt together like the other dragons do. And since they're so rare it's would probably be pretty unlikely to see more than one in the same area.

As for the "Unholy offspring of lightning and death itself" part, I doubt that's supposed to be taken literally. All it is is a figure of speech to describe how dangerous and vicious the Night Fury is (when they were still fighting the war that is).

Who knows, maybe in HTTYD 2 we'll get to see another Night Fury.


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Dee wrote:
I think he is supposed to be the only one of his breed.
As for evidence in the movie, I think the quote below makes it appear that there are no other Night Furies.

"The unholy offspring of lightning and death itself."

It makes it sound as though he appeared from no where, and was not braught to the world like other dragons, by natural birth.


This. I was gonna say it but since you already did... yeah. I think that's the reason why.

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Dee wrote:
I think he is supposed to be the only one of his breed.
As for evidence in the movie, I think the quote below makes it appear that there are no other Night Furies.

"The unholy offspring of lightning and death itself."

It makes it sound as though he appeared from no where, and was not braught to the world like other dragons, by natural birth.

Ah, yes, but let's not forget this was a superstitious tribe speculating on a creature they had never even seen. It was not uncommon for gods/goddesses in pagan folklore to have animal offspring; Loki, for example, was hinted to be an ancestor of Slephnir, an eight-legged horse. Ergo, it makes sense that the Vikings would imagine a dragon, itself as unseeable and forceful as the wind (nobody saw it, only what it did) to be the spawn of natural - or rather supernatural, in their minds - forces.

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In Gift of the Night Fury, all the other dragons went off to their island to lay their exploding eggs. (Presumably, to mate as well.) Toothless didn't go with them, and Hiccup didn't see any Night Furies at all on the island. It's safe to assume that this means Toothless is the only Night Fury.

However, as was stated, maybe we'll meet another one in HTTYD 2. I know I'm looking forward to that film regardless.

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I admit I haven't seen Gift of the Night Fury. But something else occurred to me. Didn't Hiccup mention Night Furies in a plural sense? And throughout the movie there were other mentions of Night Furies as if there were more than one (e.g. when Stoic asked, "Any Night Furies?"). Granted these were the words of people fairly ignorant about them, but it makes one wonder.

I remember something else dawning on me, but what it was escapes me just now.

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In Gift of the Night Fury, all the other dragons went off to their island to lay their exploding eggs. (Presumably, to mate as well.) Toothless didn't go with them, and Hiccup didn't see any Night Furies at all on the island. It's safe to assume that this means Toothless is the only Night Fury.

However, as was stated, maybe we'll meet another one in HTTYD 2. I know I'm looking forward to that film regardless.

Or that they really are born as they say in the movie. From "the unholy offspring of lightning and death itself" as Dee said. ...that'd be interesting to see.
The instinct to breed should still drive him toward the island with the other dragons if he reproduced normally regardless if he's the only one or not.

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Guys, it's been stated by the film makers and concept artists that Night Furys are RARE dragons. Not endangered, Toothless isn't the only one. Just RARE. When you saw Gift of the Night Fury, you probably only saw about 20 dragon families on that one particular island. I'm sure that's not the only island in the world that has hot springs. And since Night Furys are rare, they probably have completely different mating rituals than other dragons.

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Guys, it's been stated by the film makers and concept artists that Night Furys are RARE dragons. Not endangered, Toothless isn't the only one. Just RARE. When you saw Gift of the Night Fury, you probably only saw about 20 dragon families on that one particular island. I'm sure that's not the only island in the world that has hot springs. And since Night Furys are rare, they probably have completely different mating rituals than other dragons.

For once, I agree.

I also remembered what dawned on me. Remember the scene where Toothless went loopy over that, for want of a better word, dragon-nip? Well, I think I read somewhere that cats aren't effected by catnip until they reach the point where they can breed (or at least would be able to if they weren't operated on). Don't ask me why, because I'm not a vet. But if that's the case, then it seems like a reasonable, albeit arguable, point that Toothless' reaction to the dragon-nip could indicate he was at least capable of breeding.

I concede that comparing a known mammal to a ficticious reptile is a bit of a stretch, but I thought that was worth pointing out.

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Dee wrote:
I think he is supposed to be the only one of his breed.
As for evidence in the movie, I think the quote below makes it appear that there are no other Night Furies.

"The unholy offspring of lightning and death itself."

It makes it sound as though he appeared from no where, and was not braught to the world like other dragons, by natural birth.



Yeah I think so. I mean Dee's theory is exactly what this quote says. And if there are other Night Furies in the 2nd movie, then I'll be disappointed cuz if other people can own one then Hiccup won't be the only one with a Night Fury, and then he neither of them will be as special.


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Fluffykitty333 wrote:
Dee wrote:
I think he is supposed to be the only one of his breed.
As for evidence in the movie, I think the quote below makes it appear that there are no other Night Furies.

"The unholy offspring of lightning and death itself."

It makes it sound as though he appeared from no where, and was not braught to the world like other dragons, by natural birth.



Yeah I think so. I mean Dee's theory is exactly what this quote says. And if there are other Night Furies in the 2nd movie, then I'll be disappointed cuz if other people can own one then Hiccup won't be the only one with a Night Fury, and then he neither of them will be as special.


Narrow-minded thinking much? Hiccup and Toothless aren't special because of him taming a RARE dragon, it's because he trained a dragon...at ALL. The first Viking to ride a dragon isn't something to shake a stick at. And that's suddenly gonna mean nothing if another Night Fury shows up? It'll mean nothing if Toothless is able to continue his species?

Dragons in this universe are treated as animals, not mythical creatures. This world has it's own science and it's own logic and it's own traditions. The only reason Night Furys are described as "the unholy offspring of lightning and death itself" is because no one knew anything about this dragon. When something you can't see just destroys everything, it's frightening and you describe it however you can to get that point across.

They're obviously a reclusive species, and it's been said (by creators and the official website) that the Night Fury is "the rarest (and most intelligent) species of dragon". Toothless is not the only one of his kind to have ever existed. May he be the last of his kind? Perhaps. Or maybe just because you don't see any others doesn't mean they're not there. That's part of the job being "the rarest species of dragon".

Whether he's the last or just a rare breed, considering the mechanics of the How to Train Your Dragon universe, it is 100% unlikely that he was literally born from lightning and death. (Death can't bring life into the world. Uh duh)

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